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	<description>A Chicago-based, feminist, pro-BDSM sex-positive activist</description>
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		<title>By: Vice</title>
		<link>http://clarissethorn.wordpress.com/2009/01/02/bdsm-related-relationship-screwups/#comment-591</link>
		<dc:creator>Vice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree that communication is key.

Most people don&#039;T make an idea for themselves of what sex is, they just recycle the views that are the most publicized. Hence the double standard. If I want to dress as a fish and my partner doesn&#039;t want me to, I have as much as a problem as if I want to stick to vanilla sex and partner doesn&#039;t want that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree that communication is key.</p>
<p>Most people don&#8217;T make an idea for themselves of what sex is, they just recycle the views that are the most publicized. Hence the double standard. If I want to dress as a fish and my partner doesn&#8217;t want me to, I have as much as a problem as if I want to stick to vanilla sex and partner doesn&#8217;t want that.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarisse</title>
		<link>http://clarissethorn.wordpress.com/2009/01/02/bdsm-related-relationship-screwups/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarisse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 11:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Lisa: Post on the term &quot;vanilla&quot; coming up just for you!  Your spectrum comment is particularly interesting; I&#039;m not sure how to deal with that ... there is the term &quot;french vanilla&quot;, but in many peoples&#039; heads it does come down to a strict boundary of vanilla vs. non.  Also, I am glad to see you comment here, because I really want to make sure that my posts stay accessible to non-kinksters, and I think you can help me with that.

@ Becka: I have been emailing with the woman who made the documentary &quot;BDSM: It&#039;s Not What You Think&quot;, and she notes that she polled a bunch of people before making the documentary to see how graphic the movie ought to be.  Apparently, they decided to go with a very G-rated approach, because they found that explicit BDSM imagery tends to close minds too quickly -- even those of progressive outsiders.  So right now I am wondering if I can talk about BDSM-related screwups, and bring some of those issues into the light, and yet do it in a relatively non-explicit way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Lisa: Post on the term &#8220;vanilla&#8221; coming up just for you!  Your spectrum comment is particularly interesting; I&#8217;m not sure how to deal with that &#8230; there is the term &#8220;french vanilla&#8221;, but in many peoples&#8217; heads it does come down to a strict boundary of vanilla vs. non.  Also, I am glad to see you comment here, because I really want to make sure that my posts stay accessible to non-kinksters, and I think you can help me with that.</p>
<p>@ Becka: I have been emailing with the woman who made the documentary &#8220;BDSM: It&#8217;s Not What You Think&#8221;, and she notes that she polled a bunch of people before making the documentary to see how graphic the movie ought to be.  Apparently, they decided to go with a very G-rated approach, because they found that explicit BDSM imagery tends to close minds too quickly &#8212; even those of progressive outsiders.  So right now I am wondering if I can talk about BDSM-related screwups, and bring some of those issues into the light, and yet do it in a relatively non-explicit way.</p>
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		<title>By: Becka</title>
		<link>http://clarissethorn.wordpress.com/2009/01/02/bdsm-related-relationship-screwups/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>Becka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 05:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think...if people are going to use the anti-BDSM rhetoric they already have enough ammunition, because it&#039;s about their perceptions, not necessarily reality. It could be that your kink has ruined &quot;regular&quot; sex. Or that you&#039;re pushing yourself to engage in unsafe behavior (casual sex) because of your involvement with BDSM. Or maybe that it&#039;s not that you have &quot;radar&quot; for other people, it&#039;s that BDSM people recruit.

So maybe speaking openly and being willing to address some of the issues publicly (instead of hiding them) is something that&#039;s called for.

(keep in mind that I lock my personal journal because I am worried about people&#039;s perceptions; I&#039;m aware of the hypocrisy here.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think&#8230;if people are going to use the anti-BDSM rhetoric they already have enough ammunition, because it&#8217;s about their perceptions, not necessarily reality. It could be that your kink has ruined &#8220;regular&#8221; sex. Or that you&#8217;re pushing yourself to engage in unsafe behavior (casual sex) because of your involvement with BDSM. Or maybe that it&#8217;s not that you have &#8220;radar&#8221; for other people, it&#8217;s that BDSM people recruit.</p>
<p>So maybe speaking openly and being willing to address some of the issues publicly (instead of hiding them) is something that&#8217;s called for.</p>
<p>(keep in mind that I lock my personal journal because I am worried about people&#8217;s perceptions; I&#8217;m aware of the hypocrisy here.)</p>
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		<title>By: lisa</title>
		<link>http://clarissethorn.wordpress.com/2009/01/02/bdsm-related-relationship-screwups/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ps. as a follow-up I do want to say that I&#039;m pretty sure my feelings on the word vanilla are less important than that of those working for equality/respect within the bdsm scene.  That is- I&#039;m an ally.  And although I think input and opinions of all kinds are useful, sometimes that means taking the backseat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ps. as a follow-up I do want to say that I&#8217;m pretty sure my feelings on the word vanilla are less important than that of those working for equality/respect within the bdsm scene.  That is- I&#8217;m an ally.  And although I think input and opinions of all kinds are useful, sometimes that means taking the backseat.</p>
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		<title>By: lisa</title>
		<link>http://clarissethorn.wordpress.com/2009/01/02/bdsm-related-relationship-screwups/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is an important thing to talk about- both the double standard between BDSM and non-BDSM relationships AND the fact that good ol&#039; communication is key in both.

I like your idea about posting on both vanilla and bdsm screwups.

BTW a post on the word vanilla might be interesting.  As someone who might be called vanilla, I hate the word.  Partly because it sounds boring and maybe derogatory (though I understand the need to cultivate an inside v. outside group, I think).  But also because I feel like we should have learned by now that all these things occur on a spectrum.  Maybe I&#039;m not gay but I am queer.  Maybe I&#039;m into handcuffs and blindfolds but nothing else.  Maybe there needs to be language to describe that spectrum rather than trying to draw a line in the sand.  My sense is that the grey area is vast.  Embracing it could be a useful strategy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is an important thing to talk about- both the double standard between BDSM and non-BDSM relationships AND the fact that good ol&#8217; communication is key in both.</p>
<p>I like your idea about posting on both vanilla and bdsm screwups.</p>
<p>BTW a post on the word vanilla might be interesting.  As someone who might be called vanilla, I hate the word.  Partly because it sounds boring and maybe derogatory (though I understand the need to cultivate an inside v. outside group, I think).  But also because I feel like we should have learned by now that all these things occur on a spectrum.  Maybe I&#8217;m not gay but I am queer.  Maybe I&#8217;m into handcuffs and blindfolds but nothing else.  Maybe there needs to be language to describe that spectrum rather than trying to draw a line in the sand.  My sense is that the grey area is vast.  Embracing it could be a useful strategy.</p>
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